Cracking the Ceiling
The O8 MTTs have both been fulfilling and frustrating. The last two I have made the money and not been able to go much further. I am the ITM guy. Not the final table guy. I guess it is slightly better than the bubble guy. Intellectually I *know* that it is just a matter of time before I get that small run of hands when I am down to 36-46 people and accumulate a huge chip stack and win this thing. However, waiting for that day, is somewhat frustrating. Oh well. I also can not figure out why my cash game is mediocre at best and my MTT game rocks. I know they are different games but I play them the same and get way different results. I was a total rock last night in the MTT seeing 23 of 106 hands voluntarily. I play the cash games the same way and you would think I would get some better results. Oh well. I tend to think the issue is in when to ramp up the aggression and take the low-draw-maniacs for a ride. I am not making enough per-hand. It could also be an issue with my MTT game too.. Keep reading..
posted by SirFWALGMan at
10:08 AM
9 Comments:
Nice work Waffles! I'm sure you'll catch a rush of cards near the bubble one of these days.
10:17 AM
Could the difference be attributed to the different strategies - MTT vs. cash?
In MTTs, it's all about survival. As you get closer to the bubble, nobody wants to risk an entire tourney on one hand.
In a cash game, it's all about the current hand. If the move is +EV, then that is the move to make.
So in an MTT, you may be able to push someone off a hand, whereas a cash game player may stay in the hand because pot odds and implied odds dictate that move.
10:44 AM
The trick to winning at poker is adjusting your game appropriately to the changing table conditions. In tournaments the table conditions change rapidly but in a semi-predictable fashion. The correct adaptation to a tournament is not necessarily the correct adaptation to a ring game.
The only recommendation I have is to play more cash games and watch the other players closely so you know how to play against them.
10:56 AM
SirF, I've been playing the old Titan tourneys a lot lately, and had a great week last month. I think to get into the big money, you have to have the attitude that your buy-in is for the final table. Spending two hours to get your money back or double it up isn't what you are there for. You want the final table.
That train of thought lets me be more aggressive around the bubble, and accumulate chips for the final table run.
Of course it can all come crashing down at any time. Otherwise we'd all be Helmuth.
11:59 AM
I would probably agree with you meak, but I am still pissed about the TJ hand.. JUST KIDDING!
I think Omaha is a distinct game, well apart from HE. I am not sure yet how well aggression helps you in this game, especially pre-flop, since any hand is only a slight favorite over any other pre-flop. For instance I had some nice hands like A23 s000ted. Pretty damn strong hands until the flops comes JJ9. So raising and being extra aggressive might not help at the end of an O8 tourney..
12:25 PM
The differences in O8 tourneys vs O8 cash games are so great I'd venture to call them two totally different games.
Think about this, in the middle to later stages of an O8 tourney, you'll often see people fold when someone pots it pre-flop. I rarely see people fold to a raiser pre-flop in an O8 ring game. Pre-flop raises in ring games aren't about getting people to fold, they're about getting money into the pot so you will have a bigger share in case of a split. So the philosophies are COMPLETELY different.
That's just about pre-flop raises.
12:49 PM
I guess I did miss those 2 letters in the post "O8" Good points. Sounds like a good post subject, O8 ring vs Tourney.
1:01 PM
Do you really think there's value in these tightish online Omaha/8 ring games? When I play Omaha live there's players who see every flop and massive pots every hand. I love playing different games but I avoid tight online omaha ring games. Ever try stud/8? I get in a rut and I look for a new game for a few days.
6:01 PM
I made the money ;)
7:09 AM
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