Thursday, November 06, 2008


Full Tilt Poker prohibits the use of external player assistance programs (EPA Programs) which are designed to provide users with an unfair advantage over their opponents. Full Tilt Poker defines external to mean computer software (other than the Full Tilt Poker game client), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g., web sites and subscription services). Full Tilt Poker defines an unfair advantage as a user accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the user has personally observed through his or her own game play.

Yay I am famous. Lol. I really hate forums. Do not know what possessed me to post. Really I am more philosophically interested in where we draw lines in cheating. If your multi-tabling I think you could legally say that your cheating using PT as you have not PERSONALLY OBSERVED THE HAND THROUGH YOUR OWN PLAY. Lawyers? Comments? Could I be one of you? That might be nit picking. However I know many of you use things like OPR which would seem to go against the first part of this. So are you filthy cheats? Where do we draw the line?

It appears on the surface of things that we draw the line where WE get a personal advantage. So if ADDING INFORMATION you could not possibly gleam from a table manually benefits you then it is ok. If REMOVING information by changing a screen name then it is NOT OK because IT DOES NOT BENEFIT YOU. Where do we draw our lines. It is kind of interesting as many internet legal and moral dilemmas face us today.

In the end I think poker ends up mirroring life. There are people who will steal from you, do fake transfers.. some will take it farther by colluding and some are basically good but will justify the advantages they like.. Sort of like DVD, Music, and Software piracy.

One other thing. I am not advocating that a site like Full Tilt stop usage of say Poker Tracker. If they did then they would find a HUGE amount of people leaving and we would be left with Cake Poker numbers of users. People LOVE these electronic advantages and WILL NOT play on sites without them. Full Tilt will obviously not threaten their player base and will instead arbitrarily enforce rules.

Does anyone have any opinions? Besides the pack donkey mentality of P5? I really liked the comment: I stopped here. Perhaps you should have stopped here..


Anonymous Anonymous said...

all the online poker rooms ultimately care about is amassing rake ... so (other than philosophically, as you mentioned) i don't c a reason to care about "cheating"


4:32 AM


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