Monday, June 19, 2006

Polls, Goals, Trolls, and .. umm.. Polls?

Nice exciting night. I want to post a few hands and get some feedback. Lets start with the Poll first. I want to know:

==> What do you make money at playing Poker
A. Cash Games
D. Other

I figure this impromptu poll would be interesting to see where people really make money at this game.

Ok. So I have made a decision. I have never given the cash games a fair shot. I am all over the place. Like tonight. I played Hoyazo, a 180-SNG, and a cash game. I ended up 17 bucks because I made $57 playing cash. So by playing all the tourneys and SNGs I am limiting my time and profit margin in cash games.

So I am going to give the cash game it's fair shake. I will play 1-MTT/SNG a night at the most. It will not exceed $20. I will not play more than one. All my other time for the next three weeks will be playing cash games.

I will be trying out my own style of play. A mix of ultra-tight, and Fluxer, and all of the great comments and helpful things people have mentioned these past few weeks. I will also try to destroy my one fatal flaw: Wanting to see. I have always been willing to pay someone off just to see. It is dumb. I will stop doing that forever more. If they bluff me then fine it is part of the game.

Ok. On to the Troll. With that said I started the night playing some $25/NL. I think I get too bored playing that. So I had to amuse myself the following way. All of this happened after I bet into him with a flush draw and he could not let top pair six kicker go. I rivered my flush. I controlled the pot odds all the way and he never made a raise or a bet. Just called.

SirFWALGMan: wah wah wah baby talk its a wonder you can walk
BRADYBAXTER: not crying just stating a fact
BRADYBAXTER: betting on the if come
SirFWALGMan: why dont you state the fact that you got sucked out on because you played a crap hand and didnt know if you were ahead or not
BRADYBAXTER: not calling
Lucky's7: nh
BRADYBAXTER: who played the bad hand there
BRADYBAXTER: give me a break
SirFWALGMan: you
SirFWALGMan: you played a horrible hand
SirFWALGMan: and you played it poorly
chad cox: kk
BRADYBAXTER: atleast l was calling not betting on nothing
SirFWALGMan: ya that is the worse thing you can do in poker
SirFWALGMan: calling
SirFWALGMan: thats like spreading ur butt cheeks and asking for it
SirFWALGMan: so dont cry like a girl when you get it
BRADYBAXTER: your a joke
SirFWALGMan: your a moron
Dealer: Game #5305745285: BRADYBAXTER wins pot ($1.45)
SirFWALGMan: Did you write a book? Everything I learned about proker I learned by watching Celebrity Poker with Phil Gordon?
BRADYBAXTER: is that better (After he wins that small pot by actually betting)
SirFWALGMan: absolutly
SirFWALGMan: just remember next time you have a King with a six kicker bet into me
chad cox: whydont you both shut up
BRADYBAXTER: l didnt bet into u
SirFWALGMan: I know you didnt
SirFWALGMan: man you will never learn
chad cox: no its all i need to take all of youres
SirFWALGMan: you need a brain to do that
chad cox: why bring an elephant gun to shoot a weasel
SirFWALGMan: is that some trailer park saying?
chad cox: yea
SirFWALGMan: and why do people put there ugly babies as avatars
chad cox: i bet you get youre *** whooped all the time dont you
SirFWALGMan: if he is half as ugly as you I dont know how you got laid without an elephant gun
chad cox: and you just come on line to get back
chad cox: mr walmart
chad cox: thats a hell of a name
SirFWALGMan: did it take you all this time to think that up?
chad cox: no im playing poker too you should try that
SirFWALGMan: your not playing poker
SirFWALGMan: you dont know how to

So after that fun exchange I figure I will play the Hoy and dedicate myself to 50/NL games. At least the donkey factor is somewhat less and I may be able to stomache it. I will be playing 50/NL until I get the bankroll up to 1500. The I will scoot up to 100/NL.

So the 50/NL table went well. I had a few nice hands. Made some money. I had visits from Jordon, Slb, JJOK and 23Skidoo.

So here is another hand that Wes hates.

PokerStars Game #5307056462: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/06/20 - 00:17:26 (ET)
Table 'Osiris' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Baalim ($189.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Pale Rider 6 ($78.10 in chips)
Seat 3: esroM ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: slb159 ($22.05 in chips)
Seat 6: nfd46 ($28.65 in chips)
Seat 7: SirFWALGMan ($89.40 in chips)
Seat 8: doofus ($99.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Scuff ($42.45 in chips)
doofus: posts small blind $0.25
Scuff: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [2d 3d]
Baalim: folds
Pale Rider 6: raises $1.50 to $2
esroM: folds
slb159: folds
nfd46: folds
SirFWALGMan: calls $2
doofus: calls $1.75
Scuff: folds

I want to see a flop.. have not called a bet with a s00ted connector tonight so what the heck.

*** FLOP *** [Ad Ks 4s]

Horrible flop. I am out of this for sure.

doofus: bets $1
Pale Rider 6: folds

Except.. wait, the guy who raised pre-flop is out to a $1 bet, and
a $1 bet is weak. I have watched this guy play and this is how he plays second or third pair. Also possibly a draw. I also have outs if I am wrong. However after the next move I am willing to cut my loses and call it a night.

SirFWALGMan: raises $4 to $5
doofus: folds
SirFWALGMan collected $8.10 from pot
SirFWALGMan: doesn't show hand

I like this play. I know you hate it Wes. Too bad.

Now I would like to give props to my boy JJOK:

PokerStars Game #5307016199: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/06/20 - 00:13:50 (ET)
Table 'Osiris' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Baalim ($104.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Pale Rider 6 ($78.10 in chips)
Seat 3: esroM ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: jjok ($81.75 in chips)
Seat 5: slb159 ($19.55 in chips)
Seat 6: nfd46 ($29.35 in chips)
Seat 7: SirFWALGMan ($90.40 in chips)
Seat 8: doofus ($100.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Scuff ($46.95 in chips)
jjok: posts small blind $0.25
slb159: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [Ad 8h]
nfd46: calls $0.50
SirFWALGMan: folds
doofus: calls $0.50
Scuff: calls $0.50
Baalim: calls $0.50
Pale Rider 6: folds
esroM: folds
jjok: raises $4 to $4.50
slb159: folds
nfd46: folds
doofus: folds
Scuff: calls $4
Baalim: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [4c 7h 8c]
jjok: bets $14.50
Scuff: folds
Baalim: raises $20.50 to $35
jjok: raises $42.25 to $77.25 and is all-in
Baalim: calls $42.25
*** TURN *** [4c 7h 8c] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [4c 7h 8c Qs] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jjok: shows [2s 7d] (a pair of Sevens)
Baalim: shows [7s 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Baalim collected $166.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $169.50 | Rake $3
Board [4c 7h 8c Qs 9d]

This hand speaks for itself! WELL PLAYED SIR! I BOW TO YOU! Oh, and Slb, get a freaking Blog or else this will happen to you more often:

PokerStars Game #5307082647: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/06/20 - 00:19:48 (ET)
Table 'Osiris' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Baalim ($188.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Pale Rider 6 ($75.60 in chips)
Seat 3: esroM ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: 23skidoo ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: slb159 ($22.05 in chips)
Seat 6: nfd46 ($28.15 in chips)
Seat 7: SirFWALGMan ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 8: doofus ($98.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Scuff ($41.45 in chips)
Baalim: posts small blind $0.25
Pale Rider 6: posts big blind $0.50
23skidoo: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [3h 9h]
esroM: folds
23skidoo: checks
slb159: raises $0.50 to $1
nfd46: calls $1
SirFWALGMan: folds
doofus: folds
Scuff: calls $1
Baalim: folds
SirFWALGMan said, "last orbit for me guys"
Pale Rider 6: calls $0.50
23skidoo: raises $1.50 to $2.50
slb159: calls $1.50
SirFWALGMan said, "thanks for the entertainment"
nfd46: calls $1.50
Scuff: calls $1.50
Pale Rider 6: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh 5d Tc]
23skidoo: bets $5
slb159: raises $14.55 to $19.55 and is all-in
nfd46: raises $6.10 to $25.65 and is all-in
Scuff: folds
23skidoo: calls $20.65
*** TURN *** [Qh 5d Tc] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 5d Tc Jh] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
23skidoo: shows [As Qd] (a pair of Queens)
nfd46: mucks hand
23skidoo collected $12.20 from side pot
nfd46 leaves the table
slb159: mucks hand
23skidoo collected $66.90 from main pot
slb159 leaves the table
Pale Rider 6 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $82.10 Main pot $66.90. Side pot $12.20. | Rake $3
Board [Qh 5d Tc Jh 4h]
Seat 1: Baalim (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Pale Rider 6 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: esroM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 23skidoo showed [As Qd] and won ($79.10) with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: slb159 mucked [Kh Jd]
Seat 6: nfd46 mucked [Qs 9c]
Seat 7: SirFWALGMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: doofus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Scuff (button) folded on the Flop

Congrats to 23Skidoo! He sits down. He plays one hand. he makes a bundle. Well that is all for tonight. Good luck.


Blogger Wes said...

Obviously, cash games are where the money's at.

Just so you know, I do like suited cards too.

***** Hand History for Game 4553307201 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 19, 21:26:02 ET 2006
Table Table 107219 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: kramerbr ( $208.68 )
Seat 3: pimpNya ( $547.84 )
Seat 6: flopTT ( $288.18 )
Seat 2: bego152wh ( $727.36 )
Seat 4: Quinn71 ( $410.12 )
Seat 5: boobietp ( $412.60 )
kramerbr posts small blind [$2].
bego152wh posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to boobietp [ 5s 3s ]
pimpNya calls [$4].
Quinn71 folds.
boobietp calls [$4].
flopTT folds.
kramerbr calls [$2].
bego152wh checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 3h, 8h ]
kramerbr checks.
bego152wh checks.
pimpNya checks.
boobietp bets [$11].
kramerbr raises [$25].
bego152wh folds.
pimpNya folds.
boobietp raises [$89].
kramerbr is all-In.
boobietp calls [$104.68].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
boobietp shows [ 5s, 3s ] two pairs, fives and threes.
kramerbr doesn't show [ 8c, Ad ] a pair of eights.
boobietp wins $422.36 from the main pot with two pairs, fives and threes.
pimpNya has left the table.

Next hand that is dealt.

kramerbr: you're horrible
boobietp: I am

Lesson learned, people are dumb, and making them go on tilt because they can't let go of TPTK is fun.

10:30 PM

Blogger Alan said...

I've been playing cash games pretty exclusively, although I don't know that I would call it making money.

6:02 AM

Blogger Own the Flop said...

I play about 100 hands per day over the course of a month. Playing exclusively $50 max buy in cash games for the month of May, I made a little over $1000.

I'd be making a really good amount if I had the time to play more. Cash games are definitely where the money's at.

7:33 AM

Blogger Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazo said...

Hey Waffles. A great series of posts since yesterday, anyone who hasn't read them is an effing clown.

#1 as you know, I make my money almost exclusively in MTTs. With enough volume of MTTs on a weekly basis, I have been a consistent winner each month of 2006, in addition to winning a number of satellite tournaments and other smaller MTTs.

#2 I'm glad Wes stuck up for himself in the comments here. I don't think Wes would hate the hand you won with at all. Wes knows how to play the game, and I think you made a great play there. I guess the hand history Wes left in his comment above speaks for itself. That entire history could easily have been you or Fluxer playing that exact same hand the exact same way.

#3 sorry for the beat in the Hoy last night. That really sucked, no ifs ands or buts about it. But thanks for coming out and playing man. Your presence is always a major plus in these things, without a doubt. Plus, I do like the dead money in the pot too, don't get me wrong. Heh heh.

#4 glad you made your reservations for Vegas man. I will be making mine in the next day or two as well. I'll post on my blog for all to see. And, you're going to miss my first day in the $2500 buyin WSOP event which I'll be playing on Friday starting at noon Vegas time. Don't know what I'll do without you railing me man.

8:13 AM

Blogger jjok said...

A. Yes....
B. Usually......haven't been playing alot lately though.
C. Nope......biggest money drain by far.
D. hmmm...I think I will say this is my biggest one, and it involves bonuses and rakeback.

I make a lot of money from rakeback and bonuses. It makes sense to take advantage of these kinds of programs if you are truly trying to build your bankroll. Obviously, there are good deals and bad just have to find out what's right for you.

8:38 AM

Blogger SirFWALGMan said...

I do not get you Wes, lol, You seem to sort of agree with me but not like how I play anything.. lol.

8:58 AM

Blogger Own the Flop said...

I do not get you Wes, lol, You seem to sort of agree with me but not like how I play anything.. lol.

For every idiot who bets out $1 because he has an underpair and is afraid of the ace, there is another idiot who bets out with $1 because he hit a set of aces or kings and doesn't want anyone to fold. Wes' hand was different than yours in that he made a play with rags when they actually hit.

9:29 AM

Blogger StB said...

Hey Waffles, when does your book come out. I can see the title "How to win money at online poker while making new friends".

9:38 AM

Anonymous mookie99 said...

Where is category E ?

E. I don't make money. I am a donkey.

Up until now I have made a few crumbs playing MTT and SNGs.

11:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A. Cash Games

Every time I play a MTT and go on a little run and cash I tell myself I'm going to play more of these. Then I get awful bad beats or lose the bingo bubble game and I swear them off.

The only MTTs I'm playing now are online or live with bloggers. Although I'm up money in MTTs both online and live, they really cost me money as I could be making a lot more playing cash games.

I'm studying cash games hard and putting a lot of time into becoming a better player and the return has exceded expectation. I truly feel if you commit the majority of your time to cash games you to will see better than expected results.

Here in Vegas 95% of the "pros" make their money playing cash games and it's that cash that finance runs at the big buy-in MTTs. It's very rare that pros here are strictly tournament players but its not uncommon that many pros, who most of us have never heard of, make their money strictly playing cash.

12:17 PM


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